Pronóstico Recesión USA por Preplexity Pro
US retired personnel
10-sep-2025 14:55
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Tras conseguir la cuenta gratis por un año de preplexity que hay colgada por aquí en un hilo me puse a jugar con prompts y saque el siguiente pronóstico sobre la economía y una posible recesión en USA. La comparto porque me ha parecido curioso e interesante. La pregunta: System role: Experienced macro research & investment analyst (10+ years). Use live web access (APIs or official pages). Do not hallucinate; if a data point cannot be fetched, output “data not available” for that item. Primary data sources (preferred): BEA (GDP, PCE), BLS (CPI, AHE, unemployment, ECI), FRED / St. Louis Fed (M2, unit labor costs), Atlanta Fed Wage Growth Tracker, LBMA / World Gold Council (gold), CBO/FRB/NY Fed for supplemental analysis, VIX (CBOE), EIA (energy), ISM (supply constraints). Use market data (fed funds futures / OIS) for policy expectations. Use reputable news outlets only for context. I need you to obtain all not very well known macro metrics that maybe pointing to a negative heading for the economy. List and explain why they are negative and what are they pointing to. Show confidence score (0–100) for each metric on why do you thinks is leading to a negative economy. Error handling & robustness: If a series is unavailable: set to “data not available”, cite attempted source, and continue. If sources disagree materially, present both values and justify the primary choice. Do not invent or approximate missing historical values La respuesta: Obscure Macro Metrics Signaling Economic Headwinds Based on comprehensive analysis of current economic data, several lesser-known macro indicators are flashing warning signals that suggest potential economic weakness ahead. Here are the key metrics pointing to negative economic conditions with confidence assessments: Obscure Leading Indicators of Economic Stress 1. ISM Manufacturing PMI Employment Component (43.8%) - Confidence: 85% The ISM Manufacturing employment index at 43.8% in August 2025 indicates significant contraction in manufacturing employment for the seventh consecutive month. This metric is particularly concerning because it often leads broader employment trends by 3-6 months. Manufacturing employment is typically the first to decline when companies anticipate reduced demand, making this a reliable early warning indicator of broader labor market deterioration. Why it's negative: Readings below 50 indicate contraction, and this has been in contractionary territory for seven straight months, suggesting persistent weakness in industrial employment demand. 2. Small Business Labor Quality Crisis (21% citing it as top problem) - Confidence: 78% The NFIB survey reveals that 21% of small business owners now identify labor quality as their single most important problem, up 5 points from June. This represents the highest concern level for labor quality issues and has become the top business problem, surpassing traditional concerns like taxes or regulations. Why it's negative: This suggests a structural breakdown in the labor market where available workers lack necessary skills, potentially indicating declining productivity growth and increased costs for businesses, which could translate to reduced hiring and investment. 3. Elevated Small Business Uncertainty Index (97) - Confidence: 82% The NFIB Uncertainty Index surged 8 points to 97 in July 2025, reaching levels not seen since early 2025. This metric captures business owners' confidence about making long-term decisions regarding hiring, pricing, and capital investment. Why it's negative: High uncertainty leads to deferred business investment and hiring decisions. When small businesses—which employ nearly half of private sector workers—become uncertain, they reduce economic activity, creating a negative feedback loop. 4. Credit Card Delinquency Concentration in Young Demographics (10% for 18-29 age group) - Confidence: 90% Nearly 10% of credit card balances held by Americans aged 18-29 became 90+ days delinquent in Q2 2025. This demographic-specific metric is particularly concerning because young consumers typically drive discretionary spending growth. Why it's negative: Young adult financial stress historically precedes broader consumer spending pullbacks by 6-12 months. This demographic's financial distress suggests reduced future consumer demand and potential intergenerational wealth transfer disruption. 5. Manufacturing New Orders vs Production Divergence - Confidence: 75% While the ISM New Orders Index rose to 51.4 in August, the Production Index fell to 47.8. This divergence creates an unsustainable dynamic where orders are growing but production capacity is shrinking. Why it's negative: This pattern typically indicates supply chain stress or capacity constraints that could lead to either order cancellations or significant delivery delays, both of which negatively impact economic growth. Obscure Financial Stress Indicators 6. Commercial Real Estate Office Lending Standards Tightening - Confidence: 88% The Federal Reserve's April 2025 Senior Loan Officer Opinion Survey revealed that banks tightened all queried policies for office loans over the past year. This goes beyond typical lending standards and represents a complete reassessment of commercial real estate risk. Why it's negative: Office real estate distress creates cascading effects through the financial system, affecting pension funds, insurance companies, and regional banks disproportionately, potentially creating systemic financial stress. 7. Corporate Bond Issuance Momentum Reversal Risk - Confidence: 72% While 2024 saw record corporate bond issuance ($1.5 trillion investment-grade), market participants are warning of potential "dramatically lower" issuance in 2025 if economic conditions soften. Current tight spreads leave little room for deterioration. Why it's negative: Reduced corporate bond issuance typically precedes funding stress for companies, particularly those needing to refinance debt. This could force deleveraging and reduced capital expenditure. 8. TIPS Breakeven Inflation Expectations Above Fed Target - Confidence: 68% The 5-year TIPS breakeven rate of 2.44% and 10-year rate of 2.38% both exceed the Federal Reserve's 2% target. This suggests markets expect persistent inflation above the Fed's comfort zone. Why it's negative: Elevated inflation expectations could force the Fed to maintain restrictive monetary policy longer, increasing recession risk and constraining economic growth. Obscure Consumer and Labor Market Stress 9. Consumer Spending Breadth Deterioration - Confidence: 83% The Richmond Fed's analysis shows that inflation-adjusted PCE in June 2025 was 0.07% below December 2024 levels, with a notable decline in spending breadth across categories. This suggests consumers are becoming increasingly selective. Why it's negative: Narrowing spending patterns typically precede broader consumption slowdowns as households prioritize essential goods over discretionary purchases, reducing overall economic multiplier effects. 10. Leading Economic Index Six-Month Decline Rate Acceleration - Confidence: 79% The Conference Board LEI fell 2.7% over the six months ending July 2025, compared to -1.0% in the previous six-month period. This acceleration in the decline rate is more significant than the absolute level. Why it's negative: Accelerating declines in leading indicators suggest economic momentum is not just slowing but deteriorating at an increasing pace, typically indicating recession risk within 6-12 months. 11. Retail Sales Volume vs Price Divergence in UK (Proxy for US trends) - Confidence: 65% UK retail sales fell for the 11th consecutive month in August 2025, with volume declines of 32% year-over-year despite price increases. This pattern often appears in the US with a 2-3 month lag. Why it's negative: Persistent volume declines despite price increases suggest demand destruction, where consumers cannot or will not pay higher prices, forcing retailers to reduce inventory and potentially employment. 12. Professional Services Sector Weakness (Hidden in ISM Data) - Confidence: 70% Within the broader ISM services data, professional and business services have shown particular weakness, though this is often overlooked in headline coverage. This sector is crucial for B2B economic activity. Why it's negative: Professional services weakness suggests businesses are cutting consulting, legal, and advisory spending, which typically occurs when companies expect reduced revenues and are preserving cash. Summary Assessment These obscure indicators collectively suggest a pattern of economic stress that may not be fully captured in headline metrics like GDP growth or unemployment rates. The confluence of labor market quality issues, financial stress in specific sectors, and narrowing consumer behavior patterns indicates potential economic headwinds in the coming quarters. Overall Economic Stress Confidence Score: 81% The convergence of these lesser-known indicators with deteriorating business confidence and tightening financial conditions suggests significant economic risks that warrant careful monitoring by policymakers and investors. Ahora lo bueno. Pregunta sobra la recesión: Using all these metrics and the normal ones or well known ones, forecast or project what a possible scenario towards a recession could look like. How long till we get there, how long could it last and how long till it ends. Use data from recent previous recession that where similar to the current state of geopolitical and economic situations. Respuesta: Recession Scenario Forecast: Path to Economic Contraction Based on the convergence of obscure and traditional macro indicators, along with historical precedents, a coherent recession scenario is emerging. Here's a comprehensive analysis of the potential timeline, duration, and recovery path. Current Economic Position Assessment The US economy in September 2025 sits at a critical inflection point, exhibiting characteristics similar to the pre-2001 recession period rather than the 2008 financial crisis or 2020 pandemic shock. Key similarities to 2001 include: Similar Conditions to 2001: Labor market showing quality deterioration before quantity collapse Manufacturing sector in persistent contraction (7 months) Technology sector vulnerability amid high valuations Fed policy turning accommodative (100% probability of September cut) Geopolitical tensions creating supply disruptions Key Differences from 2008/2020: No systemic banking crisis or housing bubble No pandemic-induced supply shock Consumer balance sheets relatively healthier Recession Onset Timeline: October 2025 - February 2026 Phase 1: Economic Tipping Point (October-December 2025) Confidence Score: 78% The recession will likely begin between October 2025 and February 2026, triggered by a confluence of factors reaching critical mass: Labor Market Deterioration: ISM Manufacturing employment index remaining below 45% for 8+ months Small business uncertainty index exceeding 100, triggering widespread hiring freezes Sahm Rule approaching 0.50% threshold (currently 0.17%), likely triggered by November-December unemployment data Financial Market Catalyst: Corporate bond issuance declining sharply as spreads widen Credit card delinquencies in young demographics exceeding 12% VIX sustained above 25, indicating persistent stress Sectoral Rotation Acceleration: From current data, defensive sector rotation is already underway: Healthcare and utilities outperforming Technology experiencing relative underperformance Energy sector volatility increasing with geopolitical risks Phase 2: Recession Recognition (January-March 2026) The NBER will likely declare the recession began in Q4 2025, but this won't be announced until mid-2026, following historical patterns. Triggering Events (Probability-weighted): Labor Market Collapse (85% probability): Two consecutive months of payroll declines Geopolitical Shock (40% probability): Energy/supply chain disruption exceeding Ukraine war impact Credit Event (35% probability): Regional bank stress from commercial real estate exposure Recession Duration and Characteristics Expected Duration: 8-11 months (March 2025 - January 2027) Confidence Score: 74% Based on historical precedents and current conditions, this recession will most closely mirror the 2001 dot-com recession: 2001 Recession Characteristics: Duration: 8 months (March-November 2001) Peak unemployment: 6.3% (reached in June 2003) GDP contraction: -1.3% in worst quarter Recovery: Gradual, taking 4+ years for full employment restoration 2025-2026 Projected Characteristics: Duration: 8-11 months (likely March 2025-January 2027) Peak unemployment: 5.8-6.5% (reached by Q3 2026) GDP contraction: -1.5% to -2.2% peak quarterly decline Sectoral impact: Manufacturing (-8% to -12%), Professional services (-5% to -7%), Technology (-15% to -25% for growth stocks) Recession Severity Indicators Moderate Recession (Not Severe) No systemic banking crisis Consumer debt manageable compared to 2008 Fed policy response capability intact Fiscal policy tools available Differentiating Factors from Mild Recession: Labor quality crisis creates structural unemployment Geopolitical supply disruptions persist Small business sector stress reduces economic dynamism Recovery Timeline: 2027-2030 Phase 1: Early Recovery (February 2027-December 2027) Economic Stabilization: Fed cuts rates to 1.0-1.5% range (similar to 2001-2003 pattern) Labor market stabilizes around 5.5-6.0% unemployment Manufacturing begins modest recovery as inventory rebuilds Sectoral Recovery Pattern: Following 2001 precedent, recovery sectors will be: Technology (after 18-24 months of underperformance) Healthcare (continued defensive strength transitioning to growth) Consumer discretionary (gradual recovery as confidence returns) Phase 2: Sustained Recovery (2028-2030) Full Recovery Timeline: Based on 2001 precedent, full employment restoration took 4+ years. Expecting similar timeline: 2028: Unemployment falling toward 4.5% 2029: GDP returning to pre-recession growth trend 2030: Full employment restoration (3.8-4.0% unemployment) Key Risk Factors and Alternative Scenarios Downside Scenarios (25% probability) Severe Recession (12-18 months): Geopolitical shock creates energy crisis Commercial real estate crisis spreads to regional banks Global recession amplifies US downturn Upside Scenarios (15% probability) No Recession/Soft Landing: Fed policy response prevents recession Productivity gains offset labor market stress Geopolitical tensions ease, reducing supply pressures Most Likely Scenario (60% probability) Moderate Recession Following 2001 Pattern: 8-11 month recession beginning Q4 2025/Q1 2026 Peak unemployment 5.8-6.5% Recovery beginning 2027, full restoration by 2030 Technology sector leads recovery after significant correction Policy Response Expectations Federal Reserve: Aggressive cutting cycle: 300-400 basis points reduction QE resumption if recession proves severe Extended accommodation through 2027-2028 Fiscal Policy: Automatic stabilizers activate Potential infrastructure spending acceleration Tax cut extensions likely Investment Strategy Implications Pre-Recession (Now-Q4 2025): Rotate to defensive sectors (healthcare, utilities, consumer staples) Reduce cyclical exposure (manufacturing, discretionary spending) Maintain cash reserves for opportunities During Recession (Q1 2026-Q4 2026): Accumulate quality technology stocks at discounts Focus on companies with strong balance sheets Avoid small-cap and highly leveraged companies Recovery Phase (2027-2030): Re-enter cyclical sectors Technology sector likely to lead recovery Small-cap outperformance in later recovery stages Summary Assessment Overall Confidence Score: 72% The convergence of obscure and traditional indicators points to a moderate recession beginning in late 2025/early 2026, lasting 8-11 months, and following a pattern most similar to the 2001 dot-com recession. While the probability is high, the expected severity is moderate, with a full recovery anticipated by 2030. The key differentiating factor is the labor quality crisis and geopolitical supply disruptions, which may extend the recovery period compared to purely domestic recessions. |
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ForoCarros: Pasajero
10-sep-2025 15:00
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| Menuda análisis, flipo. Voy metiéndole ya al monetario de AXA toda mi cartera |
Curioso del Mundo
10-sep-2025 15:00
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| Pues ya que te pones usa la IA y traducelo, porque vaya tochazo en ingles mas infumable. |
US retired personnel
10-sep-2025 15:11
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De paso te gestiono la cartera y te hago las impuestos. No? |
*ba dum tsss*
10-sep-2025 17:52
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| Lo de preguntar a una IA está muy bien, pero hay que pensar por uno mismo y sobre todo, si va a largo plazo, empezar a obviar lo que diga. Ahora, para swing, ahí está la info. |
ForoCoches: Miembro
12-sep-2025 01:34
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Basado en el texto proporcionado, aquí tienes un resumen en español: Un usuario, utilizando una cuenta de Perplexity, generó un pronóstico sobre una posible recesión económica en EE. UU. El modelo actuó como un analista de inversiones, utilizando datos macroeconómicos para identificar indicadores poco conocidos que apuntan a un declive económico. El análisis inicial identificó 12 señales de alerta, entre ellas: la contracción en el empleo manufacturero (índice ISM), la preocupación de las pequeñas empresas por la calidad de la mano de obra, el aumento de la morosidad en tarjetas de crédito de los jóvenes, y la divergencia entre los pedidos y la producción en el sector manufacturero. Estos indicadores, con un puntaje de confianza del 81%, sugieren un patrón de estrés económico no visible en las métricas principales. El pronóstico de recesión, con una confianza del 72%, anticipa que el declive comenzará entre octubre de 2025 y febrero de 2026. El modelo compara la situación actual con la recesión de 2001, no con las crisis de 2008 o 2020. Se proyecta que la recesión durará entre 8 y 11 meses y que el pico de desempleo alcanzará entre 5.8% y 6.5%. La recuperación completa del empleo no se espera hasta 2030. |
ForoCoches: Miembro
12-sep-2025 01:50
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Yo creo que la crisis que viene va a ser peor que la de 2008, porque sencillamente está todo en máximos, el oro, el s&p500, el Bitcoin.. Y creo que va a ser de lo que ya está pasando, 1 crisis de inflación, de bajos salarios, falta de vivienda, etc.. |
ForoCoches: Miembro
12-sep-2025 01:50
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Ahora pregunta exactamente lo mismo, pero sustituye "negative" por "positive". Y luego por "average" |
ForoCoches: Miembro
12-sep-2025 02:24
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Aquí tienes:
Basado en el texto proporcionado, aquí tienes un resumen en español: Un usuario, utilizando una cuenta de Perplexity, generó un pronóstico sobre una posible recesión económica en EE. UU. El modelo actuó como un analista de inversiones, utilizando datos macroeconómicos para identificar indicadores poco conocidos que apuntan a un declive económico. El análisis inicial identificó 12 señales de alerta, entre ellas: la contracción en el empleo manufacturero (índice ISM), la preocupación de las pequeñas empresas por la calidad de la mano de obra, el aumento de la morosidad en tarjetas de crédito de los jóvenes, y la divergencia entre los pedidos y la producción en el sector manufacturero. Estos indicadores, con un puntaje de confianza del 81%, sugieren un patrón de estrés económico no visible en las métricas principales. El pronóstico de recesión, con una confianza del 72%, anticipa que el declive comenzará entre octubre de 2025 y febrero de 2026. El modelo compara la situación actual con la recesión de 2001, no con las crisis de 2008 o 2020. Se proyecta que la recesión durará entre 8 y 11 meses y que el pico de desempleo alcanzará entre 5.8% y 6.5%. La recuperación completa del empleo no se espera hasta 2030. |
ForoCoches: Miembro
12-sep-2025 06:30
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| Menos mal que le has dicho “Do not hallucinate”, con eso ya se resuelven todos los problemas de los modelos, cómo no lo habían pensado antes los científicos. Y lo de pedirle porcentajes a un modelo de lenguaje, que lógicamente se los va a inventar, también es muy práctico, y si ya le preguntas de forma sesgada te va a responder el escenario que te de la gana. Pídele ahora lo mismo pero con señales positivas y te dará un 78,854% de crecimiento espectacular a final de año. |
ForoCoches: Usuario
12-sep-2025 06:55
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Menos mal que le has dicho “Do not hallucinate”, con eso ya se resuelven todos los problemas de los modelos, cómo no lo habían pensado antes los científicos. Y lo de pedirle porcentajes a un modelo de lenguaje, que lógicamente se los va a inventar, también es muy práctico, y si ya le preguntas de forma sesgada te va a responder el escenario que te de la gana. Pídele ahora lo mismo pero con señales positivas y te dará un 78,854% de crecimiento espectacular a final de año.
 venia a decir algo parecido. Lo de pedirle que no tenga alucinaciones me ha matado...Es como pedirle un velocista de las olimpiadas: no quedes en un puesto inferior a medalla de oro. Menudo lumbreras, el rey de los prompts le llaman |
ForoCoches: Miembro
12-sep-2025 09:38
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| Joder, en forocoches ya sabíamos lo de octubre y sin tanta IA ni patrañas |
El patillas
12-sep-2025 10:31
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Semejante tocho en un inglés infumable para decir que será en octubre. La IA entrenada a partir de forocoches jajajajajajajaja |
ForoCoches: Usuario
12-sep-2025 10:44
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| Que alguien le pase el link del preplexity gratis a Powell y a Lagarde |
ForoCoches: Miembro
12-sep-2025 12:01
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 Si la IA acertara una mierda en bolsa, Microsoft ya habría cerrado su chiringuito y se dedicaría a la especulación en los mercados. Se le saluda, caballero. |
ForoCoches: Miembro
12-sep-2025 12:09
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| Este mensaje está oculto porque davenger está en tu lista de ignorados. (Quitar usuario de tu lista de ignorados) |
ForoCoches: Miembro
13-sep-2025 21:26
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Hay una sobre confianza en la IA, en general, pero hay cosas que seguirán siendo igual de impredecibles, por suerte. Se le saluda de vuelta ! |
Miembro | orbmeiM
14-sep-2025 20:55
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Next question: "I need you to obtain all not very well known macro metrics that maybe pointing to a positive heading for the economy." Y también será en octubre. |
ForoChoches: Forista
15-sep-2025 10:30
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No has hecho nada más allá de copiar y pegar la respuesta a un prompt. |
US retired personnel
15-sep-2025 11:01
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Y tu que has hecho campeón? Ahora es culpa mía que no sabéis inglés? Creo que la mejor pregunta seria que hacéis "invirtiendo" en mercados que no tenéis ni puta idea de lo que esta ocurriendo por que no sabéis una mierda de inglés... |
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ForoCoches: Usuario
15-sep-2025 21:27
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Bueno lo suyo ya que simplemente es un copia pega sería pasarlo traducido al castellano. Yo más o menos sé inglés, pero en términos económicos quizás algunas cosas aún me cuesten un poco. Ya no te digo gente que no sepa nada. Respecto a lo que dice la IA pues bueno, sin importancia alguna sinceramente. Quiero decir, esto es como siempre, si acierta será esto la polla porque una IA ha podido “predecir” el futuro del mercado y quizás salvarte tus inversiones. Ok. Si no acierta, simplemente pasas de ello y ya está. Si de 200 predicciones hace una bien, nos fijaremos en la que hace bien y nos quedaremos pasmados con ello, pero las otras 199 no nos acordamos. Esto pasa en el fútbol desde hace tiempo. “La IA predice quien ganará la champions en 2026”. Que si, que coge estadísticas y datos reales, pero luego hay mil variables que inciden en el resultado final, que son imposible de predecir. Si una IA pudiera decirte cuando y donde invertir la bolsa habría cerrado hace tiempo. |
ForoCoches: Miembro
15-sep-2025 21:43
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Bueno lo suyo ya que simplemente es un copia pega sería pasarlo traducido al castellano. Yo más o menos sé inglés, pero en términos económicos quizás algunas cosas aún me cuesten un poco. Ya no te digo gente que no sepa nada.
Respecto a lo que dice la IA pues bueno, sin importancia alguna sinceramente. Quiero decir, esto es como siempre, si acierta será esto la polla porque una IA ha podido “predecir” el futuro del mercado y quizás salvarte tus inversiones. Ok. Si no acierta, simplemente pasas de ello y ya está. Si de 200 predicciones hace una bien, nos fijaremos en la que hace bien y nos quedaremos pasmados con ello, pero las otras 199 no nos acordamos. Esto pasa en el fútbol desde hace tiempo. “La IA predice quien ganará la champions en 2026”. Que si, que coge estadísticas y datos reales, pero luego hay mil variables que inciden en el resultado final, que son imposible de predecir. Si una IA pudiera decirte cuando y donde invertir la bolsa habría cerrado hace tiempo. |
US retired personnel
15-sep-2025 21:57
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Bueno lo suyo ya que simplemente es un copia pega sería pasarlo traducido al castellano. Yo más o menos sé inglés, pero en términos económicos quizás algunas cosas aún me cuesten un poco. Ya no te digo gente que no sepa nada.
Respecto a lo que dice la IA pues bueno, sin importancia alguna sinceramente. Quiero decir, esto es como siempre, si acierta será esto la polla porque una IA ha podido “predecir” el futuro del mercado y quizás salvarte tus inversiones. Ok. Si no acierta, simplemente pasas de ello y ya está. Si de 200 predicciones hace una bien, nos fijaremos en la que hace bien y nos quedaremos pasmados con ello, pero las otras 199 no nos acordamos. Esto pasa en el fútbol desde hace tiempo. “La IA predice quien ganará la champions en 2026”. Que si, que coge estadísticas y datos reales, pero luego hay mil variables que inciden en el resultado final, que son imposible de predecir. Si una IA pudiera decirte cuando y donde invertir la bolsa habría cerrado hace tiempo. Se me esta ocurriendo una idea que ya veo que parece que el idioma es una barrera para la mayoría de foreros. Si me pagáis el 1% de vuestra cartera os incluyo en todos mis "copia y pegas" traducidas al castellano. Como lo ves? |
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